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China dream alive and kicking (economy ripe for collapse)
The New Australian ^ | June 2002 | S.P. Seth

Posted on 07/13/2002 7:28:41 AM PDT by spycatcher

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China dream alive and kicking

by S.P. Seth

Tiawan: Taipei
TNA News with Commentary
No. 339, June 2002

A new book The China Dream: The Elusive Quest for the Greatest Untapped Market on Earth, provides an analysis of the unrealized hopes of foreign investors and businesses regarding the limitless scope of the mainland China market.

In his review of Joe Studwell’s book in the Far Eastern Economic Review, David Murphy comments that, “From the 19th-century English writer, who wistfully hoped that Lancashire's cotton mills would boom if every Chinese was persuaded to lengthen his shirt tail by an inch, to today’s car manufacturers, who hope that one in 10 Chinese will buy a car, businesses have dreamed of making it in the Middle Kingdom.” Still, the potential and promise of the mainland “El Dorado” is spell-binding, reinforced by official growth “statistics.” The statistics do not tell the whole story; the murky side is carefully hidden.

According to Nicholas Lardy, an expert on the mainland economy, “The official data overstate the pace of economic expansion ... if for no other reason than over the past decade there has been an extraordinary buildup of unsold and unsaleable inventories. While these inventories are counted as part of output and thus contribute to growth of gross domestic product, they are not utilized for either consumption or fixed investment. The real resources that have gone into the production of these goods has been largely wasted.”

Take one example. “On average from 1990 to 1998, annual additions to inventories absorbed 42 percent of incremental output,” much of it reflecting “the continued production of low-quality goods for which there is little or no demand.” Considering the mainland’s padded statistics, one must be very skeptical.

The economic rot, though, is much wider. The mainland banking system is crisis-ridden and corrupt. In an open political system, it would in all probability have collapsed by now, considering that half to two-thirds of all bank loans are nonperforming and growing.

High-level linkages between the perpetrators of such fraud, however, result in disinterested investigations. According to the Far Eastern Economic Review, “China Construction Bank has been involved in financing the information-technology business activities of President Jiang Zemin's eldest son.” Still, banks like these control US$900 billion in individual savings. If people knew what was going on, there would be an instant run on the banks, which would bring the Chinese economy to a halt.

In a broader sense, any discussion of the mainland economy without taking into consideration the social context is extremely misleading. As Alvin Toffler observed when interviewing Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, “The central risk for the world over the next 30 years will be the mainland. This is because the changes that the government in Beijing is trying to bring about are of such great magnitude. The population of the mainland is so big that these changes will naturally create domestic turbulence.”

In a meeting with the mainland’s State Development and Planning Commission, Toffler was told, “We have 900 million first-wave peasants involved in agriculture. We have a second-wave urban industrial population of 250 million to 300 million involved in manufacturing. Finally, we have 10 million third-wave people with computer and Internet access.” Even with the best scenario for economic development, the relative income mix of the vast population is not likely to change significantly.

In other words, the overwhelming majority of people will continue to live on the land. But land and jobs are shrinking in rural areas. According to Jiang Xueqin, “Across the mainland, people are losing their land to expanding cities and attempts to make tiny farm plots more efficient by merging them into large agribusinesses.” Land confiscation is a serious issue in the countryside, and has sparked large-scale riots. The worst culprits are almost always local officials.

Jiang quotes a local community leader to sum up the people’s feelings: “What's happening is land transfers to a few rich people. The government has had a long-standing policy of letting a few people get rich first.” One can only imagine the pervasive sense of helplessness and frustration among the peasant masses. This is because there are no effective channels for political or legal redress open to them. No wonder grain production is falling steadily. Last year, it reportedly decreased by 1.9 percent, following a 9-percent drop in 2000.

At the same time, unemployment is alarming. The state-run China Daily has put the number of jobless at 132 million — 120 million of them in rural areas. The real figure is obviously much higher. It is expected that this will only get worse following Beijing’s accession to the World Trade Organization.

Despite all the razzle dazzle of big coastal cities, there is widespread poverty. According to World Bank estimates, there are 200 million very poor people in central and western China living on the equivalent of less than one U.S. dollar a day.

If the poverty bracket were raised to include also those living on or below US$2 dollars a day, the number of poor would be much higher.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chinadream; chinastuff; chineseeconomy; clashofcivilizatio; economiccollapse; overseasinvestment; zanupf
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1 posted on 07/13/2002 7:28:41 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Someone posted on this forum that the Chinese will assign 400 people to milk a single cow and report full employment.
2 posted on 07/13/2002 8:00:37 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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I am so pissed at all these bastards trying to capitalize on China. The stonger the Chinese economy is, the more ICBM's and MIRV's they have pointed at us. We should be trying to destroy them. They are already targeting us with nuclear technology that our treasonous and idiotic government provided to them.
3 posted on 07/13/2002 8:02:18 AM PDT by ShayAllen
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For a momment there I thought this was another article about the US economy.

“The official data overstate the pace of economic expansion" ..

"The mainland (USA) banking system is crisis-ridden and corrupt. In an open political system, it would in all probability have collapsed by now, considering that half to two-thirds of all bank loans are nonperforming and growing."

"High-level linkages between the perpetrators of such fraud, however, result in disinterested investigations"..

"If people knew what was going on, there would be an instant run on the banks, which would bring the (US) Chinese economy to a halt.

"Considering the mainland’s padded statistics, one must be very skeptical.

Land confiscation is a serious issue in the countryside,

“What's happening is land transfers to a few rich people. The government has had a long-standing policy of letting a few people get rich first.”

4 posted on 07/13/2002 8:06:32 AM PDT by Life of Brian
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To: ShayAllen
China red dragon is friend to merican bald eagle. We friend so much we target and threaten ICBM on city such as Los Angeles and New York in 1996. Billy fellow communist clinton help china, vewy nicely and we make merican bow before us and sign a book of condolence over belgrade bombing. We sneaky peeple we know how to play shell game with merican peeple.
5 posted on 07/13/2002 8:07:29 AM PDT by bok
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To: bok
Uhmm.. Don't you have some homework to do???
6 posted on 07/13/2002 8:33:17 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: *China stuff; *china_stuff; *Clash of Civilizatio
Index Bump
7 posted on 07/13/2002 10:03:40 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA
Thanks for pinging the lists
8 posted on 07/13/2002 11:39:57 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Your welcome
9 posted on 07/13/2002 11:41:34 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: ShayAllen
You're right, it's insane for US to blindly support the Chinese modernization. It would be like Ronald Reagan's administration propping up the Soviet Union instead of bringing them down first. We can always be friends after communism collapses.
10 posted on 07/13/2002 11:44:18 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: SteamshipTime
the Chinese will assign 400 people to milk a single cow and report full employment.

Ah, government employees!

11 posted on 07/13/2002 1:44:51 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: spycatcher
Every other building in China's major urban areas seems to be a bank. Weird. People can't possibly need *that* many banks.

OTOH, street level free market capitalism is simply raging out of control. Its pretty cool actually. Everyone wants to start a business, everyone wants to get rich. The average man in the street is a hard core capitalist.

12 posted on 07/13/2002 4:36:31 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: spycatcher
Well, maybe once there's no more technology and no more money left to gift to China, you'll come to a painful realization..

Most favored nation.. What a farse.
13 posted on 07/13/2002 4:51:25 PM PDT by a_Turk
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To: spycatcher
China has a long and noble history of insanely bloody civil wars. I smell an historic slaughter coming up soon. The American economy is on the verge of collapse and when it does, it'll drag down the export-dependent Chinese economy. Once those billion+ Chinese realize they'll NEVER be rich, all hell will break loose. All the wars and genocides of 20th Century added up to less than 300 million dead. China could top that in a few years of serious fighting and starving.

The worst part is that China will turn into a Super-Mexico and flood the world with illiterate illegal aliens. It'll be The Camp of the Saints time.

14 posted on 07/13/2002 5:38:19 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: spycatcher
China's entire economic growth is based on its trade surplus with the United States. If we revoked MFN (or PNTR) we could, and should, bring yet another communist country to its knees.
15 posted on 07/13/2002 5:39:39 PM PDT by nonliberal
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To: nonliberal
That's not correct. Whereas 40-70% of most other Asian nations' GDP's are derived from exports, that figure is just 20% for China. China is a lot different from other Asian economies because it has a large domestic market in and of itself. For instance, China is the #1 market in the world now for cell phones and PC's.
16 posted on 07/13/2002 9:56:03 PM PDT by AIG
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To: Arleigh
Re #14

You are correct in saying that the collapse of American economy will bring down the Chinese economy, and ironically her ambition to become the World hegemon, replacing America. I always thought that the surest way to check Chinese aggression is for American economy to tank for a while. Not that I like the consequence of it in America. But my feeling was that American business and political community will continue to suck it up for China, blinded by the billion men market, without such an event.

I do see that any serious economic downturn in America this time around is something you cannot get out of easily. I do not enjoy this event unfolding. But the potential is there. It should be reminded that the American economic downturn can be triggered by an external event, such as the collapse of Japanese economy. Chinese economy may collapse on its own, too. There are at least three large economies wobbling at the edge of a financial disaster. Whichever falls first will take all the blame (for a while at least) and the rest of dominos will fall. At the beginning of 90's, the world looked so peaceful and full of hope. Things got seriously screwed up in a dozen years.

17 posted on 07/13/2002 11:56:52 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: AIG
RE #16

That 20% is crucial. The rest, 80%, can be more of accounting hot air than real substance. Besides, all other sectors of economy depends on export sector for their prosperity. Most of growth momentum comes from that 20%.

18 posted on 07/14/2002 12:00:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Do you doubt that China is the biggest market for cell phones now? You don't have to trust China's figures. You can trust Nokia's. The Koreans are particularly big in China's cell phone market these days, incidentally.
19 posted on 07/14/2002 12:38:17 AM PDT by AIG
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I read a few months ago that for the first time the Koreans were investing more in China these days than they were in America. I visited Korea a few months ago on business and it was amazing to me how many Koreans were studying Mandarin these days. Same with the Japanese.
20 posted on 07/14/2002 12:41:59 AM PDT by AIG
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